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Post by De Graaf van Salland on Aug 16, 2009 10:06:04 GMT 1
The dutch governement have recently introduced a scheme called the "sloopregeling". It gives a certain bonus (between € 500 & € 1000) if you have your old car scrapped and in return buy a relatively new car. It's meant to improve the dutch economy & the environment as well, because a lot of old, polluting cars will be removed from the roads. Well, my old (1996) Nissan complied fully to the requirement of being an old & polluting car. So, it's now going to the scrapheap...  .  I've driven 8 years & ±160.000 km in this car. Never had any major problem with it ! And it took me & my family & a lot of gear to england quite a few times. But it has no ABS, no airconditioning and certainly no engine power ;D As it's replacement I've bought a 2002 Skoda Octavia:   This one does have ABS, airconditioning, central doorlocking etc. I just hope it will be as reliable as my old Nissan......... Franklin |
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Post by McF on Aug 16, 2009 10:27:21 GMT 1
We have a similar scheme introduced in England, it's called "scrappage" and gives £2,000 for a car over 10 years old in exchange for buying any new car www.scrappage.org.uk/I like the sound of the Dutch scheme a lot more, as you do not have to buy a new car. I suppose that is why your discount is less asthe manufacturer contributes £1,000 into the UK scheme. I'm guessing that the dutch scheme will not undermine the price of used vehicles, so the resale value of our two cars (both less than 10 years old) would not be affected so much. I'm a big VAG fan, having owned 3 VW Passats, a Polo (for kids) a Golf and an Audi. Most of the parts on my cars have 4 badges - Audi, VW, Skoda and Seat moulded in, so you can be confident that quality isn't going to be an issue. Your new car looks very smart; I wish you many Km of trouble free and happy motoring. Which engine did you get? my Passats have all been 1.9TDi and they deliver a lot of ponies when you use your right foot. |
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Post by De Graaf van Salland on Aug 16, 2009 13:20:49 GMT 1
The Skoda has the 1.6 petrol engine in it.
I know that the 1.9 tdi is a wonderfull engine. Where I work there are two company cars with that engine in it (a VW Golf variant & Seat Ibiza).
But car owner's tax in the Netherlands is calculated according to weight and type of fuel of the vehicle (and also the province you live in, but that's a minor factor).
For my old Nissan diesel I paid € 75 owner's tax a month. For the new Skoda (petrol), I will pay ± € 45 a month.
Diesel fuel, over here, is lot cheaper than petrol (diesel ±€ 1,= per litre; petrol ±€ 1,40 per litre).
So depending on the amount of miles / kilometers you do per year, there is a break-even point.
As I'm well below this break-even point with the amount of car-mileage, for me it's cheaper to run on petrol.
But the new petrol engine turns out 75 kW, the old Nissan diesel gave 55 kW.
Vehicle weights: Nissan = 1195 kg / Skoda = 1295 kg.
So the power/weight ratio goes from 46 kW/ton to 58 kW/ton. That's an increase of 26%. ;D ;D ;D
Now I will be able to overtake a slower vehicle sometimes ! ;D
Franklin
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Post by Buzzin (^_^) on Aug 16, 2009 16:14:49 GMT 1
Nice new car  The 'sloopregeling' is nice...unfortunatly for me....my current car doesn't qualify. Only just, it's from 97  But then again....I don't have any money left for a new(ish) car anyway....and this one is currently not falling apart yet. My next car would probably be a smaller car...with a bit more power... Currently is 60/65 bhp on 1080 kg.... not a winning combo if you ask me. But then, I was spoiled, my first car was 110 bhp on 1188kg.... a feisty renault |
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Post by McF on Aug 16, 2009 19:26:40 GMT 1
I know that the 1.9 tdi is a wonderfull engine. Where I work there are two company cars with that engine in it (a VW Golf variant & Seat Ibiza). I had the 115bhp in my first Passat, but the 130bhp (96Kw) in the second and current Passats - it feels like an awful lot more ponies under the bonnet, especially with all the torque (285Nm) you get from a turbo charged diesel - at only 1445 Kg it pulls like a train ;D But car owner's tax in the Netherlands is calculated according to weight and type of fuel of the vehicle (and also the province you live in, but that's a minor factor). For my old Nissan diesel I paid € 75 owner's tax a month. For the new Skoda (petrol), I will pay ± € 45 a month. Diesel fuel, over here, is lot cheaper than petrol (diesel ±€ 1,= per litre; petrol ±€ 1,40 per litre). That's a lot of money for the privelege of owning a car, my Passat is £150 pa, the Polo is £120 pa and the mighty Pan only £66 for a whole year of grin filled riding ;D How much is bike insurance in the Netherlands? Petrol sounds like a similar price to the UK, but Diesel over here is often a few pence per litre more than Petrol. |
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Post by Buzzin (^_^) on Aug 17, 2009 9:09:32 GMT 1
Bike insurance can really differ per company, but if you take just basic coverage:
€ 9.78 per month. That's the bare minimum...it only makes sure the other party can claim damages if you cause them...it's also a legal requirement (like in the UK) This is with 1 year bonus and 20% discount because of the collective insurance deal from my employer.
I pay around € 11,- total for extra cover (including theft!), legal representation if needed on or off the bike, and any damages to me or a passenger...but that's with a 7 year bonus and because I share my insurance over 3 vehicles (2 bikes and my car).
To give a bit of contrast: Full cover on my new bike is around € 55,- a month
Total cost for my Revere a year: €70,- taxes + €132,- insurance = €202,- per year. (I don't want to think about what my car costs...)
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Post by McF on Aug 18, 2009 7:45:12 GMT 1
That's very interesting Franklin, many thanks.
That's a big difference between insurance on your aNTy and the V-Strom. Unless I'm mistaken it's for an equivalent level of cover too - is that right?
I have just reinsured and moved from Footman James to Carole Nash.
I didn't have time (or much enthusiasm!!) to shop around any further.
Carole Nash have my renewal date and always call me to quote. They gave me a price of £170 for fully comprehensive (best level of cover) on my Mighty Pan (now 12 years old), compared to £195 from Footman James. I called FJ to ask if they could improve their premium "we'll get a manager to call you back" and I never heard anything more from them. My new policy will allow additional bikes to be added to a single policy (once I get my finger out and put them together!). Both policies include European travel and breakdown cover throughout Europe. I did skim through the policy document and noticed that running out of petrol is not considered a Breakdown - well worth remembering!
Is the road tax on your V-Strom the same (70 Euro) as your aNTy?
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Post by Buzzin (^_^) on Aug 18, 2009 10:06:49 GMT 1
OI!  Check the nick  (I know...it's confusing....I talk of a strom, and Franklin has an avatar with one  ) There are usually three levels of cover, legal (lowest, called WA, Wettelijke aansprakelijkheid) legal + some incidents like weather damage, theft, those bits (second level, called WA+) and then there is full cover, including damages caused by yourself (called All-risk). My Revere has the middle/second level, and my V-strom is covered fully. Hence the big difference in cost. The reason for the relatively low price on my Strom is that I got a good deal...I got the same discount as for my car....with 7 bonus years on it! (no claim bonus that is) That's a 70% discount (wellll...not realy 0 bonus years = 20% discount....all marketing talk, but still after a few years you pay a lot less) So...changing insurance is no real option for me....as no other company does that. Yep, the road taxes should be the same for all or most bikes a.f.a.i.k. I don't have breakdown cover through my insurance, and wouldn't want to either...I don't want my record there to reflect brakedowns.... I do have cover in the Netherlands through the bike organisation I am a member of (KNMV) (covers all my vehicles...cars included!) But most of my brakedowns over the years (in my cars) meant ringing my dad and telling him to pick me up. I had the towline in the boot anyway...along with big jugs of oil, coolant and some assorted tools like a full garage jack, full set of spanners and all sorts of spare parts.... (did I ever mention my first car wasn't perfect? mind you, I did help out the occasionally stranded car driver with my driving garage...) Running out of petrol can get you a ticket here! They say you should have thought of it before running out... I believe it's a €60,- ticket...nice eh? (I believe the saying is adding insult to injury? ) |
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Post by McF on Sept 5, 2009 10:21:26 GMT 1
I said that I had changed my car this year Same model, body shape and engine it's even the same colour Before   and after - can you spot the differences?   |
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Post by Buzzin (^_^) on Sept 5, 2009 14:34:22 GMT 1
Before and after - can you spot the differences? There is no difference, look at the registration, it's the same car! Now either you know your way around photoshop, or those must have been expensive vanity plates....right?  ps. I did notice the different alloy wheels....8 or 9 spoke....but I'm guessing that's not why you changed the car?  |
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Post by McF on Sept 5, 2009 15:21:55 GMT 1
Same registration on both cars (in the UK we can transfer "cherished numbers")
It does have "MCF" in the sequence!
I do use Photoshop regularly and like to think I'm a competent user when I have time.
It's the same (B5) model of the Passat, the first was early 2002 with >160k miles, the current one is late 2004 with <60k miles
I'm not so keen on the current Passat and The General took an instant dislike to the electronic parking brake and keyless ignition, so I wanted to get a younger model (car not wife, but that might be nice ;D) while I could.
The wheels are slightly different
The trim is black on the first, colour coded on the current
There are indicator repeaters in the mirrors of the current car instead of in the wing
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Post by rj2para (Bisto) on Sept 5, 2009 16:09:42 GMT 1
I agree with your wife "General". I hate electronic parking brakes. Tired at the end of a days driving I ended up reversing the hire car into mine. We live on a hill and my mind / feet could not coordinate the brake. I did feel rather foolish. and I too will never own such a contraption. |
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Post by McF on Sept 5, 2009 20:51:50 GMT 1
Never say "never" - you know it will happen one day (because it will be all you can buy!) On the Passat I looked at, the parking brake was a button in the dashboard. Putting it on was simple enough - press the button Getting it off took a leap of faith (If I recall correctly) car in gear and apply revs. I played around with this in the car park for quite a time. Logically it made sense, but it is counter intuitive. The General didn't like it at all |
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Post by De Graaf van Salland on Sept 6, 2009 9:12:09 GMT 1
The push-button parking brake is a strange contraption......
I wonder how it works when the car is still moving ? (it's a legal requirement that it also works when the car is in motion).
As to the technique of hill-starting: most cars are front-wheel-drive & the parking brake acts on the rear wheels.
For these cars: just let the clutch engage to such a level that you can feel the the rear end of the car go down. Then release the parking brake.
I'm surprised that a dutchman (no hills around here, you know....) should tell you lot how to do a hill-start. ;D
Franklin
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Post by Buzzin (^_^) on Sept 6, 2009 21:10:46 GMT 1
I always find a hill-start on a bike a challenge. I usually use my right foot on the floor when stopping, so it's very counter intuitive to use the left one....
During driving lessons I nearly launched the bike away like that. (yes we do have some steep bits around here...mostly driving up the side of dikes)
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