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Post by Buzzin (^_^) on Mar 8, 2012 22:12:37 GMT 1
After being charges €35,- extra last time for fitting and balancing my tyres I thought....I can do that....how hard can it be?  (hmm I hope my findings aren't as the other person that uses that catchphrase...) After looking up a lot of things on the internet I found out a few things: - If you like your wheel rims the way they are...that's with paint on it, DON'T get a tyre changer for cars... - Make sure that whatever you use on the rim to change the actual tyre is made out of softer materials than your rim. e.g. Plastic, Nylon or (soft) Wood. - Finding a tool that does all this is simple to obtain....yet VERY expensive. ( www.gp503.de @ €398,- excl. shipping or balancer) - Balancing is actually very simple. - Breaking the bead isn't much harder So....I'm going to build some parts myself....and buy others. (because I am lazy...or because I can't make them). The idea is to build the platform for changing the tyre myself, including the axle to rotate the changer arm around, the actual arm and a mechanism to bread the bead on the tyre. Only thing I bought for the changer: the head to go onto the rim. At GP503 it's € 55,- as a separate component....and it's one thing I can't make myself. The balancer I bought....being lazy  
Balancer @ Louis.deI will update this thread as soon as I have pictures....and with tips in case you want to build your own. Expected total costs: - Balancer: 50,- - Tyre changer: 100,- 80,- (including the 55,- head) - Extras: weights, valves, valve tools, mounting paste etc: 50,- I know that still seems a lot....but it's going to last a looong time (If you have loads of things lying around the house....you can make it quite a lot cheaper too) If you really don't care about your rims....and aren't afraid of using some brute force....here's how it's done.....hillbilly/redneck/hoody style  video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-7031069247045108209(The bad music is from NL's most watched home improvement show....) |
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groovylee
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Post by groovylee on Mar 8, 2012 22:23:15 GMT 1
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Post by Buzzin (^_^) on Mar 8, 2012 22:54:25 GMT 1
Ehm, well, I did consider one like this, but it doesn't say anywhere if the tyre mount/demount bar is just metal or not. If it is metal: don't. It will take the paint of your rims.... Another problem I have with these is that the bead breaker is on the floor....why didn't they incorporate that into the upper level? And well...there is one other issue: storage  (I only have a shed...no garage) My solution should be compact enough to hang on the wall. Yes, it's an option if you have the space for it....and if the tyre mount/demount bar has plastic tips. (seems this one doesn't...so only if you don't care about your paint) But I think I will build mine anyway....even if it was just to do something useful with my hands for a change |
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norfolknchance
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Post by norfolknchance on Mar 9, 2012 6:46:54 GMT 1
when ever i change the tyre............i use the ntv side stand to break the bead
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Post by kirriepete on Mar 9, 2012 9:56:33 GMT 1
Seems like an awful lot of fuss and hardware just to change the occasional tyre .... 3 mismatched levers, 2 g-clamps and some old bits of plastic works for me and takes up next to no room in the shed.
Balancing? Front wheel only (never needed to do a rear, with a gurt lump of shaft drive gubbins a few grammes ain't gonna make a difference) - put wheel back on bike, take off brake caliper and balance in situ - simples!
I'm a simple sorta bloke (read: tight-fisted).
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groovylee
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Post by groovylee on Mar 9, 2012 12:51:14 GMT 1
guys, is wheel balancing a relatively easy thing top do then? just that i need to swap a tyre over to another front wheel, and wouldn't mind having a crack myself.......
cheers,
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Post by kirriepete on Mar 9, 2012 19:13:31 GMT 1
guys, is wheel balancing a relatively easy thing top do then? just that i need to swap a tyre over to another front wheel, and wouldn't mind having a crack myself....... cheers, Fix the wheel up so it can spin freely. Spin it, when it stops mark the lowest point with a bit of chalk or summat. Spin it a few more times, marking the low point each time. If the marks are all in the same spot, or very close, then that is your heavy point. The closer they are to each other, the bigger the imbalance, so the more weight will be needed to balance it out. Add a small weight to the point opposite the middle of the marks, clean the marks off and start again. We're only talking about a few grammes here - if you look at the balance machines in action at Kwik-Fit and the like you'll see they usually need 15 or 25 g added, not a lot. When the marks are all over the place the wheel is balanced, ie no one spot stops at the bottom every time. You're welcome. |
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sear
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Post by sear on Mar 9, 2012 20:57:50 GMT 1
My local tyre place doesn't charge extra if you take loose wheels in, so I just put the bike on the centre stand, metal thermos flask under the engine, wheels off and take them in!
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vtwinfan
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Post by vtwinfan on Mar 9, 2012 21:08:56 GMT 1
how often do you guys change Tyre's , I need a new set every 4 months and just pop down to the local watling Tyre's , remove my own wheels using their tools and they fit the Tyre's for free and balance them . I could buy off Cambrian Tyre's { trade through the school } and watlings would charge me £10.00 per tyre fitting. saving about £35.00 . but I have to use the car to take Tyre's and wheels to watlings, or fit them myself, weighing up the time involved its cheaper to ride to watlings , job done in 5 minutes. no pissing about , I would think again if you were talking every week the job needed doing. but once every 4 months |
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Post by Buzzin (^_^) on Mar 10, 2012 0:34:08 GMT 1
It's not just the fitting that costs money....even the cheapest shop around here can't beat prices of the internet. So saving money on both things sounded interesting to me Well....that, and I really wanted to build something useful. I just had a word with my dad....and I can get the wood base/blocks etc off him for free. Yeay...even cheaper Now all I have to do is find a shop that sells M7 bolts..... Balancing: youtu.be/QbVuwjX0q5gI now have 4 2 wheelers, 2 bikes and 2 mopeds (50cc thingies), so changing a tyre will be more of a frequent thing. And it might become more once my girl passes her test... |
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gills
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Post by gills on Mar 10, 2012 21:31:16 GMT 1
when ever i change the tyre............i use the ntv side stand to break the bead The handbook for my first BM actually told you how to use the centre stand to break the tyre bead! It was easier with crossplys, but still not easy without another pair of hands. When I did change tyres myself, I never bothered trying to balance them at home and didn't notice any problems with vibrations. If they're not too far out, I don't think it's going to give problems if you stick within the speed limit. Good luck with your efforts Buzzin |
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Post by irishntv650 on Mar 12, 2012 21:50:24 GMT 1
iv a tyre machine  |
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Post by Hubcap on Mar 14, 2012 21:41:24 GMT 1
I don't think it's going to give problems if you stick within the speed limit.lol!!!!! That's funny right there!!! Norfolk never balances his tyres, he doesn't seem to notice any problems either.. well, nothing caused by the tyres. He did take some weight out of his top box and noticed a real difference!! lol!! @irishntv You're lucky you live overseas or you'd have a queue of NTV owners outside your house! |
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Post by shane7366 on Mar 6, 2014 19:09:25 GMT 1
plenty of d i y tyre changing vids on you tube. check out
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(I only have a shed...no garage)
