devlin86
Rides on the Motorways
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Post by devlin86 on Dec 28, 2010 9:28:24 GMT 1
Hello to all
I hope you have all had a great christmas, and i expect like myself, your all looking out your windows at the disapating ice patches with some glee and a big grin on your faces.
What faces me at the moment is a Robin reliant that my girlfriends cousin is selling, now i believe it used to be that you could ride one on a bike licence, but i am not sure how true that is in todays licencing laws?
If anyone could help i would apprieciate it, i have done some research and turned up that you need to have a B1 licence, some believe you used to be able to drive one on a provisional? and in other areas its telling me that because it is a true weight of under 550kg, it classes much the same as a motorbike (other areas state that you have to disable the reverse gear to class it on a motorbike licence as viable)
One other stone over turned said that you only had it as a licence allowance on a A licence if held before 2003? but which is it.
I passed in 2007, on my licence i have A then after that k.p ?
MCF i wonder if you might know this one
Rich'
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Post by yellowmelos on Dec 28, 2010 11:23:44 GMT 1
Phone the DVLA they will be able to tell you what you can ride/driveon your license
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Post by McF on Dec 28, 2010 11:40:50 GMT 1
What faces me at the moment is a Robin reliant that my girlfriends cousin is selling, now i believe it used to be that you could ride one on a bike licence, but i am not sure how true that is in todays licencing laws? I'd stop looking if I were you! I was watching some traffic try to get through some snow on Christmas Eve and then realised one of the cars was a Reliant Robin which appeared to be doing a wheelie. The rear wheels were in the ruts, but the front wheel, with very little weight on it was riding between the ruts but not providing much in the line of steerage. With very little weight on the rear wheels they were spinning freely and doing very little to provide propulsion. It was total carnage (but excellent spectator sport) Having passed your bike test, if you do not have "B1" on your licence, then I guess you will have to take your car test to have this credited to your licence. If you have a full "B" category on your licence, why bother with 3 wheels when you can have 4? I found this www.trikeshop.co.uk/trike_law.htmwhich shows how confusing the law is regarding 2/3/4 wheel vehicles. motorbikes (2 wheel, no sidecar) fit in a nicely defined slot Cars (4 wheels, with an external bodyshell) are reasonably easily defined. But then it gets mad! 3 wheel motorbike - trike 3 wheel car 4 wheel motorbike - quad Weight and power of vehicle, number of seats, designed specifically for a disabled person. What a nightmare. Then throw in a trailer (+E) and look at the foot of the page above for guidance on helmets and seatbelts As I said earlier, I'd keep well away from the 3 wheeler. If you want a "cage" to get around in when you're not on the bike, pass your car test and get a 4 wheeler.
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Post by rj2para (Bisto) on Dec 28, 2010 12:53:30 GMT 1
In the old days you used to be able to do this. Dad said the only requirement when he did it was a washer in the reverse gate on the gear box to stop him using reverse. Ie make it a bike. I assume the harleys' did not reverse in those days Dad actually said he thought it was good in the snow and used to give his 4 wheeled mates a lift in the snow. I suspect technology in modern 4 wheelers may have changed this. I actually like 3 wheelers quirky and different bit like the NTV Not with you on this one Mcf. I say check out the legal issues with the DVLA and give it a go.
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Post by McF on Dec 28, 2010 13:58:09 GMT 1
I say check out the legal issues with the DVLA and give it a go. It's not difficult to check out Take a look at your licence, the reverse side and see what codes it has, that shows the classes of vehicle you can drive - simples? My son passed his car test (no others) in 2006 and has B and B1 classes The General passed her care test (no others) pre 1997 and does not have B1; she has B; BE, C1 etc So that appears to suggest that my son can drive a Reliant Robin or even a trike, but the General cannot? I don't know what codes you get for passing only your bike test, but I'm guessing it will only be an "A". I'm afraid, unlike RJ, I've never been a fan of 3 wheels. None of the advantages of 2 - speed, agilty, scraping round a bend easy parking and storage. and none of the benefits of 4 This dislike was sown at an early age with a friend who had a Bond Bug (remember those?) Noisy, uncomfortable and with 3 wheels, there was no avoiding the bumps and ruts in the road. Performance - fine if you prefer to measure speed and acceleration with a sun dial. Handling - have you ever experienced the terror of "3 becomes 2" on cornering? (when one of the rear wheels lifts?) RJ - after professing your love for thes abominations, have you ever: Owned one? Driven one? Been a Passenger in one? I'll wager you a beer that the answer to all of the above is "no" and your romantic notions would therefore be shattered if you ever became better acquainted with these mutant road hazards ;D
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Post by yellowmelos on Dec 28, 2010 15:17:17 GMT 1
I found some documentation on this that i posted some where on a trike forum ( trike dr i think )
but basically if you passed your car test before 1997 you can ride a trike or quadracycle upto 3.5 tons. if you passed your car test after 1997 you cannot.
but we have been unable to find out from the the DVLA how to get trike/quadracycle entitlement on your license.
Also the B1 catagory has been replace with a just a B.. so if you have a B on your license and you passed your test before 1997 you are o.k.
If you have a B and passed after 1997 you cannot.....
But like i said before.. if you are unsure... call the DVLA and give them your driving license number and the they will say yes or no to trike's weather it be car based or bike based.. as that seems to be the difference between the two.
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Post by yellowmelos on Dec 28, 2010 15:19:32 GMT 1
i would also like to add.... bond bugs.. very cool looking... but really the same and a robin but with less weight !!
Also the going onto 2 wheels thing... great fun on the NTV trike i have... not so much in a robin as you cannot really lean the oposite direction to get it back again !!!
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Post by McF on Dec 28, 2010 17:17:23 GMT 1
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Post by yellowmelos on Dec 28, 2010 18:11:54 GMT 1
Only going on what the DVLA person told me ... she said that B1 isn't going to be used anymore as B will include the B1 catagory now. has to be said in a welsh accent of course
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paulie73
Bad ass biker
Still loving the NTV's
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Post by paulie73 on Dec 28, 2010 18:54:26 GMT 1
I remember vividly the sound of the curb grinding away the fibreglass on the roof as I was sent hurtling at 50mph upside down after a tiny diesel spill. Was fun though....
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ED-CASE
All Weather Rider, well hard
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Post by ED-CASE on Dec 28, 2010 22:45:39 GMT 1
Terror? You want terror?! Fear and loathing, more like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly ONE TIME, I rode passenger on a friend's Reliant-based trike
'nuffsaid
(staggers away, gibbering, cross-eyed, shaking like a wet dog.....)
HTH........... ? Ed
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Post by McF on Dec 28, 2010 23:22:04 GMT 1
I remember vividly the sound of the curb grinding away the fibreglass on the roof as I was sent hurtling at 50mph upside down after a tiny diesel spill. Was fun though.... Ouch!
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Post by rj2para (Bisto) on Dec 30, 2010 18:50:10 GMT 1
I say check out the legal issues with the DVLA and give it a go. RJ - after professing your love for thes abominations, have you ever: Owned one? Driven one? Been a Passenger in one? I'll wager you a beer that the answer to all of the above is "no" and your romantic notions would therefore be shattered if you ever became better acquainted with these mutant road hazards ;D :-) I actually think the bond bugs look cool Owned one? (No but I did come close and visited a garage selling them) I opted to buy a new pushbike instead. Not sure that helps my argument. My dad had one though before I was born and said they were great. Driven one? I did sit in one and it felt quite sporty at the time. (parked) Been a Passenger in one? Finally yes a mates dad had one and I thought it went well round the lanes.
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sheekbiker
All Weather Rider, well hard
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Post by sheekbiker on Jan 9, 2011 18:40:02 GMT 1
Dont know about the licence thing today, in times gone by you could drive a three wheeler on a bike licence as long as it had no reverse gear so most of them never had one fitted. I had a Bond mini car for the winter in the early 60s and had lots of fun with it too, it could turn round in it's own length and performance was not a consideration just keep me dry please. How they managed to get up to 50mph with only a single 197 cc two stroke engine I'll never know but it did with four hairy bikers on board, only 6 inch cable brakes and one door to escape through . First time I took it to the local cafe all my mates got behind it and lifted the rear wheels off the ground waiting for me to try to pull away, so with full lock ,lots of revs and a manic laugh I was able to chase them around in a circle, front wheel drive was not the usual thing back then and 90 degrees of lock still isn't. From then on we all treated it as a toy and put it to the test in many ways till one day we broke the main bulkhead and it had to be put down but it still gets talked about and what we put it through,poor thing deserved better as it never let me down AND! you can in a bond mini so there!! Mick.
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vtwinfan
All Weather Rider, well hard
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Post by vtwinfan on Jan 9, 2011 21:41:22 GMT 1
the law changed in the end of 2000, if the trike was once a car then you need a car license if it was once a bike then a full bike license is needed .you cant use either on a provisional. if the third wheel is at the front [ some strange scooter things ] the axle has to be a set length or a full car license is needed. quads are restricted to axle length as well and need a full car license. as I understand it , you need a full car license for the reliant. but phone the DVLA and get it in writing, even if you ride a trike because traffic cops are a waste of space
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