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Post by yellowmelos on Jul 28, 2010 14:01:39 GMT 1
NTV 600 bike... have a few questions i need to ask. 1. with ignition on, and the stand down... should the engine turn over when the start button is pressed  2. with the ignition on for the first time and the kill switch on, should the engine turn over ?? ( it doesn't if the engine has been running and i turn it off with the kill switch unless i turn the ignition off and on again ) Cheers |
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Post by McF on Jul 28, 2010 20:57:23 GMT 1
It may be best to wait until RJ or someone else with a 600 answers; mine is from knowledge of generic Honda Systems and in particular, my mighty Pan. 1. with ignition on, and the stand down... should the engine turn over when the start button is pressed Presume you mean Side Stand. Yes, provided the Engine Run (Kill) Switch is "on" 2. with the ignition on for the first time and the kill switch on, should the engine turn over ?? ( it doesn't if the engine has been running and i turn it off with the kill switch unless i turn the ignition off and on again ) I presume you mean Kill Switch on = Switch set to "Run" This sounds odd. The engine should turn over. To try and summarise the ignition logic, assuming all switches and wiring are installed and in normal operating order Nothing will run unless the ignition is on The Engine Run (kill) switch in the "off" position will stop everything from running, but in the "run" position will allow engine start and run With the engine in gear (or more specifically switch and light not in neutral) The engine will not start unless the clutch is in. If the side stand is down the engine will start, but immediately cut out if you select a gear (more specifically, the switch and light come out of neutral). There's a clever little thing in the electrical circuit called a clutch diode (may be referred to as a silicon rectifier) which integrates input from: Clutch Lever switch Neutral indicator Side Stand switch to control whether the engine runs or not I hope this helps a little |
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Post by yellowmelos on Jul 29, 2010 12:38:10 GMT 1
O.K.
understand the logic... have an NTV 650 trike as well as a 600 bike.... don't know if they follow the same logic or not.
But ..
If i put the ignition on for the first time... switch on the right set to run.... the engine will start....
if i then press the right hand switch to kill.. the engine stops and the and the starter button no longer turns the engine over.
if i then turn off the ignition and turn back on again... ( with the right hand switch still set to kill ) the starter will turn the engine over.. ( don't know if it will start or not.. not got that far )
This weekend i am going to see if it will start again... also going to see what the 650 does.
will also check the stand pit with putting it in gear to see if the bike stops.
Cheers,
stu
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Post by Buzzin (^_^) on Jul 29, 2010 12:55:27 GMT 1
Some bikes work slightly different to the NTV (like my V-strom)
But it shouldn't be possible to get the starter motor running with the kill-switch in Kill position :/
The sidestand is different on each bike methinks, the NTV will start fine with it out and you can even select gear as long as the clutch is pulled in. The Strom will shutdown instantly even with the clutch in....it won't even let you start with the stand out or if the bike is in gear...
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Post by jup on Jul 29, 2010 17:52:21 GMT 1
Hi, I've just checked my NTV600-J 1988 to see what it does. If i put the ignition on for the first time... switch on the right set to run.... the engine will start.... As does mine.if i then press the right hand switch to kill.. the engine stops and the and the starter button no longer turns the engine over. My engine kills but starter motor will turn again, but will not fire.if i then turn off the ignition and turn back on again... ( with the right hand switch still set to kill ) the starter will turn the engine over.. ( don't know if it will start or not.. not got that far ) This weekend i am going to see if it will start again... also going to see what the 650 does. will also check the stand pit with putting it in gear to see if the bike stops. My engine kills and will not fire or starter motor turn, unless clutch is pulled in and side stand is up.Cheers, stu Here's a quote from the Haynes manual. "If the engine stop switch and the ignition (main) switch are both in the 'Run' or 'On' position, the starter relay allows the starter motor to operate only if the transmission in neutral (neutral switch on) or, if the transmission is in gear, if the clutch lever is pulled into the handlebar (clutch switch on) and the side stand is up."I've found the starter motor does operate in some instances but the engine will not fire. |
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Post by jup on Jul 29, 2010 18:03:55 GMT 1
Oh and I can't actually test anything with the clutch switch as my wiring for it is FUBAR somewhere.
Just means I HAVE to be in neutral to start the engine.
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Post by yellowmelos on Jul 29, 2010 22:07:44 GMT 1
cheers people for doing that... new problem.... does not fire at all now  power to the coils.. but sparking plugs not sparking ! need to get multimeter and circuit test out at the weekend. wonder if some thing happened to the kill switch as i replaced a broken throttle cable...ran before i did this... but the loom has been chopped about a bit. |
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Post by Jaz66 on Jul 30, 2010 0:53:14 GMT 1
Might be something and nothing, but i am sure we have had similar issues before so this MAY be of help.
Just by the clutch is 2 wires leading up into the the handlebars on the inside part of the clutch lever mount.
I had a similar issue would NOT start in gear with lever pulled in, but it was intermittent...a quick remove, a gentle squeeze on the connector a quick refit and it was all good to go.
Hope that's of some help
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Post by yellowmelos on Jul 30, 2010 8:55:51 GMT 1
Will look at that tonight, i have taken that side off to fit a a new choke cable... but it has started since then. but always worth checking !
also wondering about the pulse generators... wiring to this a shite !!
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Post by yellowmelos on Jul 30, 2010 21:55:57 GMT 1
well, fixed it today ( i think. )
took the top off the kill switch, tested it.. all seemed o.k.
tried it.. no spark still.
Started checking the the pulse generator.. putting the circuit tester on it... got to the blue wire... then it started, bad connection.
but there is a very nasty rattle .. seemingly coming from the front right of the the engine... could be a bigend i suppose... or one the timing chains
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Post by rj2para (Bisto) on Jul 30, 2010 22:54:27 GMT 1
The Revere 600 will start with the side stand down, if the bike is in neutral but not in gear.
It will also start clutch in or out.
Could the side stand switch be the issue?
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Post by McF on Aug 18, 2010 8:35:46 GMT 1
I have just replaced my Clutch Diode (or Silicon Rectifier) Problem - with the ignition on, whenever the clutch lever was pulled in, the neutral light came on. Very frustrating when trying to find neutral at eg traffic lights! Temp solution - disconnect the wiring to the clutch switch. Not too inconvenient, but it did prevent me starting the bike in gear (with clutch in); not something I need to do that often, but cold start at work and then I'm driving away on 50m of very loose gravel then through a chicane. Low revs and a cold engine it has cut out resulting in me having to stop, find neutral, start up and ride away. Not much change out of £20 and I had to wait more than 6 weeks for a special delivery from Japan for this tiny component.  It's an awkward job after removing seat, panniers, side panels and "top shelter" (the petrol tank shape). The loom is pretty tight as it goes around the air filter and between the fairing; double jointed fingers would have been useful!  Got it in and sealed up and all works well again. |
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