Tootling along then - slidy/scrapey

[rattypete]

was going to a bike shop to "just have a look" at a new bike and ... Bang.

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Loose gravel , I heard the tyre start to slide.
As soon as I get another footpeg and I'll be back out

[dublinntv]

Hope your ok and bike not too badly damaged.

By the looks of it no one stopped to see if u were ok or even to help pick up bike.
I would have thought that the black car that had pulled out would have stopped.

[rattypete]

No cars/vans stopped, just two pedestrians. One helped to get the bike to the side of the road, the other helped to refit the screen.
Had to get the daughter to come with a crowbar to straighten the gear lever it had got jammed. Just need a footpeg and I'll be back on the road.

Just left with a bruised foot, good job I had proper boots on as the frame pinned my foot down.

[kirriepete]

Never a good thing, you'll be feeling a bit stiff today I'll warrant.

Now, as to the spill itself, you did say you were looking for CONSTRUCTIVE comments, well here goes:

WTF were you doing out there in the first place? Warning signs on the approach of a junction to the left, cars visibly turning into that junction being allowed in by the Loomis van, which then remains stationary after they've all gone so you should be thinking "He's letting someone out of the junction". You have no visibility at all into the junction, it's only as you get to the front of the Loomis van that you can see anything, by which time you're going around 25 mph judging by the speedo (bit blurry but the needle looks to be about there), too fast for a filter - 10mph speed differential is about it, at which speed a quick dab on the rear anchor would've been all it takes. Loose road surface - difficult to make out on the footage, but with a chevron'ed area like that at a junction, it's always a good bet that crap will accumulate on what is essentially an unused bit of road.

The constructive bit -

Think more about WHY they're stopped, not just the fact that they are stopped.
You know the junction's there, but can't see into it - assume there's a tank coming out.
Filtering past vehicles, keep the speed down.
If the speed's slow enough to be safe, you should only need the back brake.
If there's bits of road that aren't normally used by traffic, assume they're gonna be covered in shite.

Just my 2d.

[slug]

hi rattypete. glad your ok mate.. watched the video a couple of times. the main
thing mate is your not too badly injured ,. mistakes happen in biking, which we learn at our cost.
the car that pulled out, did stop just around corner near petrol station ,you can see car towards end of video.
but he did not get out or come over to you..the van was indicating left. with cash in transit in front., this
vans rear tail lights came on and off when I slowed video down frame to frame. think this means the loomis van flashed car to come out of junction.
,. just one of those things,. hope you back on road soon,.

[rattypete]

Cheers Kirriepete, Yea your right, must have been not thinking/in a rush ..... won't happen again.

Slug ... will be limping for a few days now, like I said at least I had proper boots on.

[micawber]

Ouch! Glad you're mostly ok.
Easy to criticise with hindsight
Have to agree with Kirriepete. Also passing with a junction to the right, if one of those vans had done a sudden right turn or U turn without indicating (who expects a bike to be there?) it could have been nasty.
In the event of an insurance claim just being on the chevroned markings would have put you in the wrong (I know, I know, we all do it sometimes when filtering).

It all happened so fast, less speed here would give more time to react, and I suspect that from the speed at which you went down you instinctively grabbed the front brake which locked before you could do anything about it. If you cover the brake when riding in these filtering situations you are more able to apply an initial squeeze rather than sudden pressure which a) gives you a feel for the amount of grip available and b)allows weight to transfer to the front end making the front tyre bite better rather than the bike pushing the locked wheel along. I'm not saying it would have helped in this situation but it's a good general principle.

After an incident like this you always go over it endlessly in your mind until you wonder what actually happened. Things happen so quickly that you don't take it all in at the time and it takes a while to work it all out.

I always think "what if, what if" and try to keep an escape route open.
That's my 10 pence worth.

Micawber

[rattypete]

Thanks for everyone's thoughts, I've only been riding for 3years now (after a gap of 30+ years) and a company car driver for 20yrs before that.
I think I will be enquiring about a training course soon. I did always intend to ....

[ssray]

More importantly what bike were you going to see? p.s. glad you not hurt
Ray

[De Graaf van Salland]

I saw the video once (on the small screen of my phone), thinking I'd reply later (after I'd seen it on a big screen), but the video is now "no longer available".
Glad you're OK though.
Additional trainingis always a good idea.

GvS

[rattypete]

Oct 2, 2013 9:11:21 GMT 1 ssray said:

More importantly what bike were you going to see? p.s. glad you not hurt
Ray

I was going to look at a Honda NC700, at a dealer, only 800ml on clock .... Not be bothering now YET

[rattypete]

Oct 2, 2013 11:16:28 GMT 1 De Graaf van Salland said:

I saw the video once (on the small screen of my phone), thinking I'd reply later (after I'd seen it on a big screen), but the video is now "no longer available".
Glad you're OK though.
Additional trainingis always a good idea.

GvS

Decided to take it off Youtube, too many prats/trolls etc out there

[odie]

do you still need a foot peg ?
pm me your address and i will send you one free to get you back on the road.
Hope this helps
Cheers
Rick

[odie]

Did it arrive ?

[rattypete]

Oct 8, 2013 19:29:15 GMT 1 odie said:

Did it arrive ?

It arrived yesterday, matey, fitted it straight away. Once again thanks VERY much.