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Post by rj2para (Bisto) on May 30, 2009 7:39:04 GMT 1
I found this and other interesting stuff here: www.deals4bikeinsurance.co.uk/motorcycle_filtering.htmWhere is filtering illegalAs with any manoeuvre, you must not cause danger or force other vehicles to alter course or speed. Typically its not a matter of where, but when. There are a few situations where it would be illegal to filter. Two that spring to mind is passing queuing traffic in a no overtaking zone (e.g. solid white lines or after a no overtaking sign) or on the approach to a crossing, with zig-zags. These are dealt with below: Overtaking (or filtering) on the appraoch to a zigzagged crossing You may not pass the lead vehicle on the approach to the crossing if it has stopped or is stopping to allow people to use the crossing. You can pass all the cars behind the lead vehicle and you can pass the lead vehicle once it has passed the crossing. You can also pass any vehicle that is queuing due to congestion further up and not as a result of the crossing. There is also some confusion over the concept of a ‘technical’ infringement of the law, where legal precedent has stated that a road user shall not be guilty of an offence if it is technical and no other road user was endangered. However, to the best of my knowledge the technical defence is only valid in examples where there are two or more approach lanes and the driver in lane 1 arrives before the driver in lane 2, but the driver in lane 2 leaves before the driver in lane 1. This is classed as overtaking the lead vehicle, but is regarded as technical breech. It’s worth noting that when passing vehicles queuing on a crossing due to congestion, its vital to exercise extreme caution and pass very slowly, as it’s highly likely that you will be unable to see any pedestrians who emerge between the vehicles to take advantage of the ‘stationery’ traffic. Overtaking or filtering on solid white lines (no overtaking) Here normal rules for overtaking apply. If you can get passed without crossing the solid white line, then you can pass queuing traffic. If the traffic is turning or meets the criteria for slow moving, you can pass. Again, because you will need to filter in a very small space you need to exercise caution when doing this. Typically (although not in all cases) the no overtaking lines are there because of a concealed hazard that you may not be able to see. In addition they don’t normally last that long (although again some authorities do abuse them). This should factor into you planning when deciding if it is safe to filter in a no overtaking area.
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Post by ilegalalien on Jun 5, 2009 14:59:47 GMT 1
being a X london courier i argue that inside or outside lanes are for filtering, if they are not doing t speed limit, even on motorways as long as it's safe.. solid white lines i got stopped once but i pointed out to the policeman i never crossed them and was outside of them before they started and after they finished and the law is you can't cross them.. he told me to be carefull.. nice bloke.. hehe
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Post by rj2para (Bisto) on Jun 5, 2009 18:37:07 GMT 1
but i pointed out to the policeman i never crossed them and was outside of them before they started and after they finished and the law is you can't cross them.. he told me to be carefull.. nice bloke.. hehe ;D lol
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Post by cowboy on Jun 5, 2009 22:22:59 GMT 1
Reading the highway code it does not say no overtaking just do not cross unless you can do so safely to pass a stationary vehicle reading a bike safety article a while back you can filter where there is double white lines if the traffic is stopped or moving slowly as long as your bike or any part of you does not go over the line, so thats what i do especially if cars are kind enough to move over a bit,
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Post by Jaz66 on Oct 3, 2009 2:52:03 GMT 1
sorry for digging up an old post but i seem to have missed this one. Nice to know a bit more about the law as i do drive in london and the filtering can be pretty intense. It is a case of filter or get out of the way so i can, which is fair i suppose if a little bit bullyish, if you ain't that confident. On the stationary traffic front, do take care. I shake my head when i see the bikers whizzing up the side of traffic jams. Sure a ped should not cross the road there but that ain't gonna feel like much of a defence, when the police are interviewing you as paramedics scrape the poor ped off the tarmac.... Had it myself. Slow traffic, passing a white van, cyclist dashes out RIGHT in front of me!! Kapow...Down he went, down i went. I leapt up to give him some carefully chosen anglo saxon, but ended up picking him, his bike and his buckled wheel to the side of the road. No real damage done to anyone just shock, cuts and bruises. Bike had a bust screen mount, indicator glass cracked and Mirror totalled, so could have been much worse. Did teach me a lesson, never overtake anything where a ped might pop out without having a good look first. especially around vans and buses. Do this know even if it means the scoots think i am too cautious and have to overtake me while i am overtaking cars. had one the other day do it, 2 way traffic, all jammed up, up my jacksy all the way up the road, popped around me as i gave a look around a bus only to zip into a space that a nice van driver had made for a car pulling out, matey boys skid was pure text book.........."The look of terror" text book... ;D I could see the embarressment on his face and smell the whoopsy in his pants even from where i was sitting laughing my tits off... Tw@t... ;D ;D
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Post by McF on Oct 3, 2009 6:49:47 GMT 1
I frequently ride around London, but rarely into the capital itself. A very useful reminder as I'm about to ride into central London (near Barbican!) for a training course today. I never look forward to it if I'm honest Jaz - your comments give me comfort that I'm not an overcautious timid creature - my Mantra is - if in any doubt, don't go through or past. Hey ho, time to go See you in Loomies tomorrow
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Post by rj2para (Bisto) on Oct 3, 2009 9:23:05 GMT 1
Filtering is one I take care with as well, when the traffic is clear the other way, (not often in London I suspect) I have started to ride further out to allow for muppets walking driving out of gaps. I agree Jaz slower speed helps my brain keep up in traffic. On the zig -zags having read the highway code I ride past all the traffic and stop behind the lead vehicle (or to the side of the second vehicle). Thus not using the zi-zags to overtake So far so good. Hope the course went well. Ride safe see you all tomorrow.
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Post by ilegalalien on Oct 3, 2009 11:09:10 GMT 1
So technically.. no vertaking the 1st vehicle untill it breaks the 1st white line and no overtaking on the zigzags the front vehicle, so it's a drag race between the the 2 white lines but you have to allow them to cross this 1st white line 1st? hehe.. thats a tall order but do-able. Overtaking and Filtering i would offer this advice (from a X London courier who's still alive) If you can't see through the vehicle, Beware. Watch for hand gestures from drivers waving vehicles or people into slow traffic. Going slow in bad traffic is sometimes the fastest from A-Z. Keep one eye on the front wheels, if it turns.. Beware Keep one eye on their hands on the steering wheel, if it moves.. Beware. When crossing traffic lights, take a look the other ways. Especialy from red. Above ALL, pedestrians come from every which way.. beware Man put 4 wheels on a car because otherwise they would fall over! Man made cars for monkeys, treat them this way and you'll be safer. last note... i have a theory about letting people in and out of traffic, if you let them in/out you will get it back a few miles up the road.. SIMPLES!
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Post by Buzzin (^_^) on Oct 3, 2009 11:39:58 GMT 1
On my trip to popham, I went through a few seaside resorts. Crowded as they were, I think filtering there was easy. Illegal perhaps, but I did what I always do here...drive through the line of (stationary) cars all the way to the front at the lights, and then gun it as soon as the lights change Also....much to the disliking of some pedestrians I assume green-light means it's my turn....and I start driving, even if they haven't hauled their big ass out of the way yet....I'll manoeuvre around them, but I know they didn't get a red light just a second ago....so no sympathy... (My mother would have a field day there telling people to get the heck of the road....she doesn't like red-light walkers/cyclists, and this was how I was raised) When traffic is moving, I follow the flow, and where I can see a gap, I over/undertake. This of course depends on my mood. In a good mood I only do few illegal things....in a bad mood a few legals ones Also....following the local biker gang helps your progress quite a bit
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Post by ilegalalien on Oct 3, 2009 12:31:31 GMT 1
Also....following the local biker gang helps your progress quite a bit on that note i went to Wales a few weeks back, stayed in a Barmouth b&b on the saturday and went up to Port meirion on sunday to see "The Prisoner" film set, on the sunday it was that MCN protest run to north Wales, so on the way back through Snowdonia there were hundreds of bikes, i found my self filtering/overtaking 100's of bikes all waiting behing some biker gang, the front rider just sitting behind a car in a traffic jam.. double white lines (no problem).. one big gang all on hardley davidson tractors with big bars, when i got to him i had about 50 bikes behind me all thinking the same i bet, this Leader of the gang gave me a ugly look like he was some road king and i should not pass him... i have utter contempt for these weekend wannabe bikers/gangs/hard cases, so i smiled and went on my way in this traffic jam for another 2 miles followed by probably 100 bikes now, when i got too the front lo and behold it was 5 really unhappy cops and a ambulance, a few bikes on the tarmac and a smashed car, both bikes were minor damage but the kind that go 160mph+, the bikers i dunno but i hope they were ok, everytime i see these clowns on hardleys they are going 28 in a 30 or 38 in a 40 or 48 in a 50, i often wonder if they ever get where they are going, i susspect they are going to some cafe to stand around talking about how much chrome they have and is the weather ok on the way home, in short i never sit behind em and expect them to move over for a real bike, respect is earned and definatly not given to over chromed tractor riders, and if i ever have a argument with one i would mention "susspension" and "silencers" and "braking power that works" in every sentance.
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Post by Buzzin (^_^) on Oct 3, 2009 16:05:48 GMT 1
hehe, I know what you mean Fortunately they are rare here (the gangs of them that is). The ones I followed somewhere near Brighton (if I remember correctly) seemed to be of the kind "I rule this road...get out of my way you stupid car!" .... which makes for a nice clear path after they passed
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Post by ilegalalien on Oct 3, 2009 16:39:16 GMT 1
hehe, i recon it's astute driver who know hardleys have no brakes and also can't hear their car stereo so they move out of the way.
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Post by De Graaf van Salland on Oct 3, 2009 20:13:12 GMT 1
When traffic is moving, I follow the flow, and where I can see a gap, I over/undertake. Can someone please explain what "undertaking" is ? I know what an undertaker is, but I sincerely hope that these two terms have nothing to do with each other....... Franklin
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Post by ilegalalien on Oct 3, 2009 20:37:25 GMT 1
undertaking is going up the inside, the other side of overtaking, in the UK thats going past on the lefthand side as we overtake too the right on the lefthand side of the road.. which is the right side.. meaning europeans drive on the wrong side.. in the UK we have one rule for all traffic.. we pass each other on the rightside.. unfortunatly some bright spark decided passing on the left was better.. they obviously never rode a horse
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Post by De Graaf van Salland on Oct 3, 2009 20:49:29 GMT 1
Thnx for the X-planation ;D
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